Plug-OUT Hybrid car

Plug-in Hybrid? Yes but what about a Plug-OUT Hybrid?

The Original Twist Plug-in Hybrid featured on this site has some useful components in it which can be used for many other purposes:-

9bhp petrol motor
20bhp electric motor battery pack
Power shaft close to the rear luggage rack

We’re looking at such a hugely versatile mobile power house that it’s hard to imagine all the potential uses. I’ll leave that to you but here’s my first selection:-

Domestic UPS
A small inverter connected to the batteries will provide 240V a.c. which can power a house for hours. This feature will augment the battery pack that off-grid P.V. systems will have anyway.

Grid balancing
When electric cars go mainstream the grid will bid for their stored power via smart meters. A parallel hybrid will always be able to sell power when the price is right and still make the next journey.

Electric generator
The batteries can be kept topped up by the 9bhp petrol motor charging via the electric motor on the other end of the power shaft. Extended power cuts won’t be a problem.

Mobile power supply
The vehicle can deliver d.c. and a.c. power wherever it goes. The range of power tools that can be driven is endless and this will empower trades people and farmers alike.

Power shaft
It just takes an extra pulley on the power shaft to provide drive to anything bolted to the rear luggage rack. The picture here shows a compressor but it could be a lathe, a potters’ wheel, a wood chipper, a water pump ….. etc etc.
A rear p.t.o. is also easily arranged for light duty mowing, for example.

No problems with lighting and cooking when you go camping in a Plug-OUT Hybrid.

The Honda GX petrol motor takes just minutes to refit into a go-kart and it’s already modified with racing parts to suit.

If ever there was an automotive Swiss Army Knife this is it.

Swiss Army Knife?

Swiss Army Knife?

Original Twist hybrid electric 3-wheeler

Original Twist 3-Wheeler

Original Twist 3-Wheeler

OK – so the next automotive era has arrived and all car makers now offer some variation of an electric car. However, despite thousands of people with free home-brewed solar electricity just itching to go electric there is nothing economically viable on offer. Here then is an attempt to define what would be a workable, even desirable, alternative.
Anyone paying the London congestion charge could be paying an additional £2,000 a year. That alone, with negligible other costs, is worth at least £10,000 to give a return of 20% on capital.
Let’s set a price target of £10,000 – £15,000 and define what sort of attributes most users would want:
Safety – very strong with above average crash sustainability.
Seating – for 2 adults and a rear parcel-shelf seat for occasional use, children and baggage.
Range – a normal daily commute of a 20 mile round trip entirely on battery power.
Range – a small combustion engine to give unlimited extended mileage.
Parallel hybrid – both power sources used at once if extra power is needed.
Plug in hybrid – batteries charged at home or by range extender engine.
Performance – equal to or faster than normal traffic.
Luggage – similar capacity as any other small car and much better than a microcar.

The key to economical motoring is lightness so from the start let’s begin with a 3-wheeler with two wheels in front and one behind. At a stroke this dispenses with some heavy things like a differential, axle, and one back wheel with suspension, brakes and associated bodywork.
With some heavy batteries mounted low down between the front wheels there will be no stability issues.
The power train couldn’t be simpler. The rear wheel spindle is mounted in an ‘H’ shaped swing arm, just like a motorcycle, with a chain drive to a sprocket that spins on the same inboard spindle that the swing arm pivots on. This sprocket spins alongside 2 others whose chains run up to the main power shaft where dog clutches engage either one to give high and low ratio drives. The power shaft has a push on drive coupling on each end to connect an electric motor on one end and a small single cylinder petrol engine on the other – it’s that simple.
The permanent magnet Lynch electric motor produces maximum torque from a standstill so there is no need for a clutch. It also doubles as the starter motor for the engine, a regenerative braking charger and can run backwards to provide reverse gear. Dispensing with a starter motor, alternator, gearbox, clutch and reverse gear puts more in the ‘saved weight’ account. Electric power is a useful 20bhp with 40bhp available in 5 second bursts. By comparison the original 850 Mini had 33bhp but weighed 70% more than our target of 7cwt.
The electric motor and the battery pack is sufficient for general short trips of up to 20 miles and perfect for city traffic creeping while the combined power sources produce lively performance up to 60 mph progressively dropping to 30 mph if the batteries pass a low threshold.
The slightly modified Honda 200cc GX petrol engine only weighs 35lbs and produces 9bhp; adequate for performance boosting, charging, range extending and even as a limp home device. It can be replaced for well under £500 (clones are £200) and after 5 minutes of unclipping could be left behind for servicing.
Maximum combined power is 49bhp to give a power to weight ratio of 150bhp/ton; it will be nippy.
Of course the design could have substituted extra batteries and an extra electric motor for the petrol powered assistance but the logic is that some petrol power enables the driver to set out on any journey with confidence.
With an Indian made Agni electric motor (very similar to the Lynch pancake motor) this car would make great third world transport with India to start with. Tata this is your new super-cheap world car!
A £100 programmable logic controller is used to control gear selection via the clutches and the potentiometer throttle pedal. Regenerative braking is controlled but limited if the rear wheel tries to lock up. The same idea also provides optional launch control and safer driving by restricting wheelspin.

3 power modes are selected by a dash mounted knob;
Engine +
The ‘Range’ mode uses ‘engine +’ to drive as normal but whenever the car stops, the engine revs up and starts charging the battery ready for the next burst of power. At the first touch of the throttle the engine disengages and the electric motor stops the power shaft to select first gear.

At the front end of the car a simple subframe makes a battery box with incorporated suspension mounts. A lightweight rack and pinion and unassisted brakes take care of steering and stopping; all very simple but maybe the biggest weight and cost savings will come from the novel bodywork or indeed from the lack of it.
Central to the strength of the car is the passenger cell made from 2 CNC machined aluminium sheet and plywood bulkheads all connected with 3 fat aluminium torque tubes and further panels in the same aluminium and wood sandwich. The complex bulkheads enable the suspension loads to be fed into the extremely rigid passenger cell as well as mounting dozens of other components. Design like this not only saves weight, cost and assembly time but the bare aluminium looks so good that there is no need to paint it.
A smaller stressed panel incorporates the dashboard where a matt carbon fibre like laminate sets off the Stack instrument panel and the selector knobs for power and varying the regenerative braking.
Behind the passenger cell there is no bodywork as such; a horizontal tubular hoop supports motorcycle panniers on each side of the back wheel and a top box over the top.
At the front a one piece moulding covers the battery box with a pair of wings over the wheels and partially down the side panels.
The narrow central roof panel is supported by two longitudinal roll cage bars which also provide hinge points for the gull wing window/doors. Similar to a Mini Moke (and the Mercedes SLS) there are no doors as such, just side pontoons.
To cut out the cost of regulations, crash tests etc the car will be sold as a kit car so customers will be expected to fit the engine and the wheels, perhaps with 10 minutes of help at the point of sale.
Can the price target be met? By raiding the parts bins for existing components and keeping it all minimal and simple the answer is yes. The result would be a characterful and useful eco-runabout with almost negligible running costs and at half the price of a Morgan 3-wheeler (with sales of over 1,000).
The Renault Twizy costs just £8,000 but battery hire costs £55 a month and it is hardly a useful all-rounder, and anyway similar mass production would make our car much cheaper.
This is just a sketch to hint at the full design. If you want to make one just let me know.

Tech notes: front suspension – wishbones but none sourced yet. MX5? Usual Cortina geometry from kit car uprights.
Rear swing arm – nice specials available for drag bikes at reasonable prices, just need a wide mounting to take side loads. .. easily made anyway.
Wheels etc .. 155×13” tyres at front … cheap and plentiful. 165×14” at rear.
Electric clutches … magnetic or dog clutches .. either would work … drag race air shifters?
A lock-up centrifugal clutch needed for the engine to provide limp home mode.
Roll cage; usual wide front and rear hoops connected by a close pair of tubes running from top of screen to rear and then down the rear bulkhead to pick up the engine/transmission plates. The rear frame extension is a loop of same width as the roof bars and provides a rear grab handle as well as support for top box etc.
The aluminium engine/transmission plates also provide swing-arm mounts, rear frame bracing and pickup lugs for the rear coil shock absorber units – a nice CNC machining exercise.
For a low car like this, gas-strut balanced self raising seats would be a nice touch to make getting in and out easier and the side pontoon height could then be higher for better strength and protection.
Rear corners of the passenger cell are fitted with sprung skateboard wheels to counteract any inadvertent tipping without damaging the bodywork. The Morgan F4 used to scrape the exhaust to the same effect (only after C of G was raised with back seat passengers)

Rotary PV solar garage

PV rotary garage

If you are a bit of an eco-warrior you might fancy an electric car, some photovoltaic panels to charge it with and a garage to keep it in. Here is a concept sketch for all those things in one neat package

Photovoltaic arrays perform some 20% better if they track the sun so the 24 panels on this rotary sun tracking garage perform as well as 28 static ones. 4 extra panels would cost £1,000 so tracking is worthwhile and of course adds to the FITs return. In addition to tracking the sun, the front and rear sections also tip up or down to get the most of morning and evening sunlight. The front set can tip up out of the way whenever the sliding garage door is open; alternatively they rotate out of the way to a preset parking angle.
A conventional array would have problems with the varying inputs across the panels but here each panel has its own micro-inverter which also enhances reliability and the performance reporting via wi-fi is fabulous.
The 250W panels together make a 6kWp array which is pretty punchy for domestic purposes and would leave a good surplus after charging the car inside.
The garage shown here has a diameter of 5 metres.
An elegant alternative to the rotary roof is to mount the garage on a car turntable so you would find your car all charged up and pointing down the drive ready to go. There would have to be 2 doors of course.
The price for the rotary roof garage should come in at around £16,000; not bad for a free petrol pump in the garden and subsidised electricity for the next 20 years.

If this seems a bit too much to add to the heavy price of an electric car, just watch this space. The Original Twist affordable plug in hybrid will be arriving on the site soon.

260mph in a 3 wheeler!

It’s in the pub car park, still hot and ticking slightly as it cools. It has a pair of wheels visible under some cowls outside at the front of what looks like a glider fuselage, so it must be a vehicle of sorts, but the rear tail wing and the pair of jet engine cowls blending into the rear bodywork make it look like a combination of a glider and a Lockheed A-10 Thunderbolt alias the Tankbuster or the Warthog. Unlike most cars this looks very military with matt grey paintwork and stenciled labels such as ‘Keep 2m clear when motors running’, ‘no handhold’. I just had to have a word with the owner.

Q: This looks more like a glider fuselage with two wheel pods on the front. Is it some sort of jet car?
A: It’s a very slippery and light 3-wheeler and yes the detachable canopy is from a glider.

Q: Does it have a jet engine then?
A: No it has a front mounted 600hp turbocharged Subaru 2.5 litre engine driving all three wheels through an automatic gearbox. The things like jet pods at the back are air intakes for the entrained exhaust powered water cooling. The brake lights are incorporated which gives the illusion of exhaust flare and sometimes the exhaust does proper flares too.

Q: I guess you could keep up with a Bugatti Veyron then?
A: It’s a close thing and really a battle for traction. Acceleration is about the same up to 120 mph with all 3 tyres trying to smoke but up to 160mph the computer controlled rear wing gives exactly enough traction to get the edge. After that we can flatten the wing and carry on to 260mph with the Veyron in our mirrors. We don’t need to compare ourselves this way though – it’s easier just to say that this is a match for the supercars but the quickest 3 wheeler ever.

Q: What about braking?
A: Backing off from 260mph gives 600bhp worth of drag. Slamming up the wing gives drag and downforce so we can pull 3G on the brakes – only a good idea with a full harness on though and it’s hard to hold your head up. In some ways the brakes are too good as there is always a danger of collecting all the cars behind you whenever you stop.

Q: Why isn’t the rear wing on straight?
A: The wing is computer controlled for downforce as well as lateral force. We literally fly round corners. It sounds silly but we park the wing sloping to stop people putting their drinks on it at the pub. The car always has a crowd round it and it was fun when the start up routine tipped all the drinks off the back but we thought glass on the road was a bad idea.

Q: So what made you build it then?
A: I heard about some Australian guys who had built a successful drag Subaru WRX and it struck me that the drive to the rear could just power one rear wheel and that would enable a streamlined plane-like body to be used. They were getting 600hp and the thought of that in something light and aerodynamic was too much to resist.

Q: So it’s a road car?
A: Yes it is used daily on the road and is easy to drive slowly. What really freaks people out is when we play a loud jet engine soundtrack on the stereo and the best bit about that is playing the sound of a turbine spooling down after parking the car. The main problem though is talking to people about it all the time.

Q: Oh – that’s me too I guess. Well thanks for the chat; will we be seeing any more of these on the road?
A: We hope someone will take up the design and produce the car albeit with a bit less power. The Thunderbolt was a spectacularly beautiful plane and its character should live on in a car.

Security equipment update

Aeon Labs door sensor

Aeon Labs door sensor

Aeon Labs multisensor

Aeon Labs multisensor

Vera Lite Controller

Vera Lite Controller

Security equipment news
Time for a quick review of some components to flesh out my last note on Z-Wave home security solutions.
First a quick recap to emphasise how the simple radio meshed network of Z-Wave components has come to dominate home security systems in America, displacing the old ways of doing the job.
The old way is where ‘the experts’ arrive at your house and for €2,000 fix lots of wires and a control box and then reappear every year for a €600 check to see that it is still working.
The new way? You connect a Z-Wave home controller such as Vera Lite to your router, buy a few sensors, most of which run on batteries, and then decide (via your PC) which configuration would suit you with regard to email, i-pad or phone alerts. You can play with ideas such as having the lights flash a couple of times when guests arrive and any other variations you can dream up. The system self diagnoses all the time so there is never a need for a scheduled check up. All that for a third of the price and no further expense.

Anyway – about the new kit
Fibaro are becoming a leading force in the sector and have fought back against the inexpensive Vera Light controller with HomeController Lite, a cheaper version of their main controller for £250. It includes Geo fencing which is a supported phone app where you designate physical boundaries for your smart phone which if crossed generate reports or activities. For example if you leave the perimeter of your house with your phone you might want all the alarms to be set, or you might want to be able to track your teenage kids or maybe just find out where you lost your phone. Fibaro tend to release kit a bit ahead of market readiness so for choice I’d still go for the more proven and cheaper Vera Lite (£129) and the same sentiments go for the amazing Fibaro multisensor where I’d stick with the Aeon Labs version pro-tem. Fibaro do some excellent little Z-Wave relays that can switch up to 3kW of mains power and these have been tried and tested for a long time. They are small enough to be tucked into a deep pattress box behind a standard light switch so existing lights can be controlled by Z-Wave.
The interface on your PC, phone or tablet is an easy way to check and adjust any element of your home automation. Once the security side is set up you won’t be able to resist adding more elements like flood sensors, light switches and remote door locks. Try asking the old security company if their system will turn down the heating when you leave the building or if it can turn on the immersion heater from the airport? is the place to go to buy most of these parts and they go to great lengths to ensure components are compatible with each other.

For outside motion detecting I’m taken with the Aeon Labs water resistant multisensor for £45 which enables you to extend your security perimeter well outside the house. Multi layered security is a useful concept where a movement outside the house invokes a mild alert and a house intrusion escalates that to a full alert. This sensor also detects temperature, humidity and light levels.
Aeon Labs have also brought out a £52 door and window sensor that is so small it fits in a drilled hole in the frame so there is no need for any ugly blocks screwed to the outside. The sensor is Z-Wave compatible and tells your controller when the battery needs changing.

You’ll need to see what’s going on and the world of cameras opens a potential can of worms of the technical type; ip addresses, data storage, wiring etc; all tricky for the uninitiated.
Y-Cam makes this a little easier with their HomeMonitor system. In a nutshell you buy indoor cameras for £150 and outdoors for £250 and plug them into your router and a power supply. Setting up is pretty much automatic. After that, whenever activated, the cameras send content out to a remote server where it is stored free for 7 days. A clever twist is that when an event occurs the previous few seconds are front loaded onto the recording so you can see the baddies coming before the motion sensors do and even if they destroy the cameras you still have the footage. Of course your phone or pad can look in on the cameras whenever you like. The cameras only transmit triggered events or viewing requests so your internet bandwidth should not be compromised.

Getting started
One could start off with a controller, 2 sensors and a camera for £369 and then build that up over the ensuing years. The era of affordable home security has arrived.
There is little doubt that such equipment will become pervasive over the next decade and then burglary will become a problem of the past.

Heating News – Spring 2014

Heating News SPRING 2014
In this issue:
Heating Seminar – 28th May
500 litre heat bank – SPECIAL OFFER
Electricity bills audit
Back issues – on
Stuff for sale

Heating Seminar – 28th MayFor anyone contemplating a heating project this will be a useful day spent discussing just about everything you need to know including:

Traditional heating – why it is out of date
How to evaluate your needs
Design your system on the PC
Accounting for seasonal demands – system alignment
Balancing and integrating a variety of inputs
Why heat banks are so good
Solar thermal and photovoltaic
Wood as a power source
Heat pumps a new era
Pool pumping on 200W

A great day out with lunch and a chat about your projects from 9am to 4pm. €90.
For delegates flying in the nearest airport is Perugia and accommodation can be arranged.
To reserve a place email me or use the contact form on the other page of this site or call 0039 (0)75 782 1816

500 litre heat bank – SPECIAL OFFER £4,100 including delivery to Central Italy worth £360. (Factory price for tank as specified here is £4,029)
There are many of these fitted in Umbria now and they all work a treat. This stainless steel Xcel heat bank from Specflue (they took over DPS) is still the easiest way to install a turnkey heating system that will run straight out of the box and integrate all your heat sources. The specification has been refined over the years and is now known as ‘The Italian Job’. All the pumps and controls are fitted and wired leaving just a days work to connect a few pipes. There is so much time and labour saved that this could be not just your best option but also the least expensive one too.

500 litre stainless steel tank (Telford) with 3 bar rating
35l/min plate heat exchanger for domestic hot water
Extra large 1” ports for gravity circulating stove.
Temperature regulation for a condensing boiler + thermostat
Class-A circulation pump for heating
Class-A pump and temperature control for underfloor heating
3kW immersion heater with Grasslin booster/timer
Over heat thermostat
Solar coil with sensor pocket.

You might notice some upgrades over the previous Italian Job. The tank is bigger and the pumps are the much more expensive A rated ones. The plate heat exchanger has been down graded to 35l/min. This is like 2+ combi boilers running at once but with less tank depletion than the previous 45l/min version. The latter is still available if needed.

Clearview 750 wood burning stove £2,200
Including gloves, temperature guage, colour of choice and UK delivery to the shippers. Free delivery to Italy with a tank order.This lovely stove has been so successful in many installations that I’d countenance nothing less. For most houses this will provide heating, hot water and even cooking without any additional heat sources. The best thing with this stove is the stainless clip-in back boiler which can easily be replaced if needs be. A stove with an integrated cast iron boiler usually means the whole stove has to be replaced – penny wise pound foolish!

Electricity bills audit
A fascinating exercise every time. Give me a stack of your last electricity bills and I’ll crunch the data into a table and graph to reveal all the interesting details along with some ideas for money saving changes. Your background consumption will be compared with the norm to show whether those bills are reasonable (as if) and that you are being charged fairly. An explanation of the Enel bill is part of the survey pack.
Surveys from €50. Report in print or pdf.

Back issues – on
A selection of ‘heating News’ back issues can be found at the bottom of the blogs list to your right. The Heatingitaly web site has been superseded by which gives more scope to discuss all sorts of interesting topics and to make the heating side less country specific.
The old site had a few useful spreadsheets for calculating various things to do with solar and heating in general. I can still send them out on request.

This is a market place for anything you want to sell not just heating related items.
One line per item please: as many items as you want
If you are a local send your list to my normal email title PATSMART
Petrol powered water pump as new €120 3313 404 008 Umbertide
Cast iron radiator, large – under half price €180 3313 404 008 Umbertide
Radiator, very small, white – under half price €20 3313 404 008 Umbertide
5 Blu-ray discs or DVDs with free Sharp Blu-ray player €50 3313 404 008 Umbertide
Toyota RAV4, 2007, 110,000km, chains, metallic black €10,000 3313 404 008 Umbertide
Restoration – lovely carved French bed, padded head board €100 075 782 1816 Umbertide
Childs bike 6 – 10 yrs knobbly tyres, good condition €40 075 782 1816 Umbertide

Awesome PC and touchscreen in a desk design

DeskPC sideDeskPC topDesPC deskThe Original Twist PC in a desk
You may be an architect or graphic designer or you might just want a flash looking office; either way here is a computer and desk idea for your viewing pleasure.
Windows 8.1 is the steering influence for the desk. Swiping and pinching at the screen is all very fine but reaching forward is not very convenient and greasy fingerprints are the last thing you want on your high resolution monitor. The answer is to have 2 screens; a touch screen set into the top of the desk and a separate monitor standing up in the usual place. A crisp white desk with inset monitor will make your studio look pretty smart but we can add extra technomologicalness with a glass panel set into the desktop to show off the high spec PC components built in underneath. If you could even source a desk like this it would cost £thousands so this project is about making one for yourself. The desk-top part is quite easy to make in MDF and a durable finish can be achieved with polished Hammerite paint. A pair of ready made office drawer units, painted to match, make suitable supports for the top.
So onto the computer case made in 18mm and 12mm MDF, some Perspex all completed with a glass top. The sketches here show how it goes together. Note in particular the false floor which hides most of the wires and how the motherboard is raised slightly to give better airflow around it. The curved section is made from a stack of MDF parts cut with a jig saw and capped with a small Perspex support for the SSD. The finished case will be bolted up under the desk and capped with the glass top set into the desk.
To flesh it out more we’ll go through the components that would make a top of the range designers PC and then we’ll add up the prices using the fabulous web site.

Corsair H100i CPU cooler.
The whole design rests on this pre-assembled water cooler which will cool the CPU while its fans draw air across all the other components. It comprises of a pump block to go on the main processor chip with a pair of pipes connecting a large radiator with 2 fans on it. The exhausting air flow is choked across the narrowed section of the case containing the motherboard and the hard disk drive. The fans are controlled on the Corsair Link and will run almost silently unless heavy CPU loads are imposed when the full 77cfm flow comes into force.

Mini-ITX motherboard
Asus Z87i–pro. Successor to the Z87i–deluxe this is a top quality and great looking board. The Wi-FiGO feature enables rapid start up with a swipe of a dongle or even your phone.

Intel 4770K Core i7 Haswell processor.
Without going into mega expensive speciality chips this is about as good as it gets. The H100i is well up to cooling this latest generation Haswell CPU even when overclocked and the cooling limits are actually related to heat flow across the chip rather than the water cooler itself.

RAM Corsair Vengeance Pro 2x8Gb DDR3-2400
16Gb is as much as the motherboard will support and that is enough for most users. Not only are Vengeance Pro top quality memory strips but they add some shiny bling to the board. Note that we have moved on from DDR3–1600 which is not fast enough to match Haswell CPUs.

Asus GeForce GT610 low profile graphics card.
Full sized cards are too big for the case as shown but this little fanless card might be good for some undemanding applications. The on board graphics of the Core i7 chip are pretty good of course so some systems will be perfectly fine without a graphics card and there is no particular need for one to drive the 2 screens.

Samsung 840 pro SSD
This 260Gb solid state memory is currently hugely popular and will ensure super fast boot up times and application loading.

Hard Disc Drive – 3.5”
This rather boring component looks great with passive coolers and sound damping rubber suspension fitted into a 5.25” drive bay bracket. A couple of Akasa aluminium finned side mounts will look and perform well without significantly impeding airflow.

Corsair Professional Series AX 760i Watt Digital ATX/EPS Fully Modular 80 PLUS Platinum Power Supply Unit.
760 Watts is greatly in excess of requirements but the bonus is that on light loads the inbuilt fan won’t even run at all. Like the H100i cooler the parameters can be viewed and controlled by Corsair Link on the PC. Quality is matched by the 7 year guarantee. The unit is modular so only the cables needed are used and being black and flat they will fit under the false floor and pretty much disappear in the case if it is painted black.
Note that the PSU is mounted on its side outside the case in a corner cut out; an arrangement that isolates the cooling from anything else going on in the case. The width of the unit determines the 150mm height of the PC case before the glass goes on top.

How much?
The PC parts come to almost exactly £1,000 which is remarkably reasonable for such a high specification. As only £400 would be saved by downgrading all the components to something more ordinary most professionals would just go for the best in the interests of reliability and performance headroom. The 2 screens will add at least £500 so in total the whole project could come to about £2,000 which is fantastic value for something that will make your offices look ultra modern. It goes without saying that productivity will be maximised with such a useful workstation.

N.B. The design was done by dragging appropriately sized boxes around in Excel. If you want to use or modify these designs just message me and I’ll e-mail the file to you.
Also please note: The cooling of components may be very much on the excessive side but even so this is all untried and should be treated as a suggestion and starting point for someone who is computer savvy.